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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports and their

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Thursday nights and your with exploring

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the bizarre on the kco our digital radio

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network I'm Tim Schwartz normally at

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this time you'd be hearing Tim Beckley

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along with us but unfortunately Tim

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could not be with us tonight

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he's under the weather or he's been

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abducted by aliens I'm not quite sure

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but we're just gonna have to press on

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without him and I think that if if we

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had a show that what would help us pull

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through without mr. Beckley then tonight

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would be that show because it's it's

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it's definitely going to be an

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interesting show because we have with us

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tonight Paul Blake Smith and Adam go

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rightly now Paul has been on the show I

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had him have been on the show several

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times as well and so it's Paul but Paul

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is well known for his appearances on our

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show talking about his book ml 41 the

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bombshell before Roswell and its sequel

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talking about the possible cape

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girardeau UFO crash and that tonight's

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paul is going to talk about his newest

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book it's a fictional it's a romantic

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comedy is Paul says and it's called sexy

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alien races

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and Paul says that he's usually seen a

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different approach to reach readers on

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the topic of UFOs this time

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concentrating on real-life sightings and

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sagas from the Las Vegas Nevada area

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that which is the setting for his novel

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and Adam go rightly is with us because I

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mean he he begged and pleaded to be on

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it since we are going to be talking

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about this topic and you know Adam is

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well-known because of his interactions

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with the Zadie world of fringe culture

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and other counterculture things and and

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I tell you sex and UFOs I don't think

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you can get much more fringe and

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counterculture than that so I want to

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introduce everyone Adam go rightly and

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Paul Blake Smith and we're going to be

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talking about tonight live nude aliens

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least I think that's what we're gonna be

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what I've written is a little naughty a

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little racy but I am trying to reach

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younger viewers who may not be or

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younger readers rather it may not be

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that familiar with the real-life UFO

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claims by now of let's say Bob Lazar who

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30 years ago and there's a whole

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familiar with his claims and some other

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material from that Nevada region that's

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most interesting and has unfortunately

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really taken it on the chin lately due

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to this terrible mass shooting which

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what happened right across the street

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s4 very odd and sad coincidence well now

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what what inspired you to come up with

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that title for this book I mean it is it

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was it strictly just a advertising ploy

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like a yeah you know they'll definitely

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well I've read a story in USA today when

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2000 and I couldn't believe what I was

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reading it said that people were going

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to baseball games major league baseball

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games and betting on everything

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including the mascot races these costume

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mascots run around the field and break a

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tape like they're running a horse race

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in the eighth inning and people would

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come down to the wagon gate beyond the

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centerfield fence and start talking to

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the runners in their mascot costumes and

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saying you feel healthy today you think

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you're gonna win do you run well on a

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dry track or a muddy track it was just

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hilarious and yet it was sad because

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these are gamble holics who have bet on

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anything oh yeah this is comedy gold I

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got to turn this into a screenplay and I

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results and then I decided to Wed the

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storyline of a fictional young man who

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fixes these races to clean up and make a

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UFOs and ET sightings his boss makes and

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go out and learn about Nevada area UFO

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crashes and extraterrestrial sightings

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and such in order to create realistic

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eighth-inning so I put the two ideas

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I got a good review and I've even got a

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Hollywood source who's interested in

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movie but we'll see how that goes

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oh that's that's fantastic oh and good

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luck with that because a lot of us have

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been involved with that where you know

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sets for years yeah it goes nowhere

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until that option expire so yeah an

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option can be a good thing should get

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some money up front yes that's right

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that's right

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you know I've I've known several people

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though who have you know even though you

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know like you said you know they get

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money upfront they just get so

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frustrated you know with the whole

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process and it's like you know it's

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I can't remember what the statistic was

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yeah less than 1% of material that gets

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optioned ever gets you know past the

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production stage but yeah you know I

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than what presents the ivied yeah it's

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it's not like it's just you know what

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0.001 percent so you got some if any

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community could use a few laughs its Las

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the book and it is a lot of humor in it

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a little racy and the costumes become

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the story when they decided to sex them

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sexy alien races well you know it's

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that's funny though because that really

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that time I mean it was fairly you know

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it was fairly not some bolts you know

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no bra more diverse you say huh I think

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the diverse this you're talking about

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recent years with all these stories

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okay I may be you know who can who could

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blame you really you know it just it

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as Paul pointed out you get these you

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yeah well foes and they see some of this

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stuff the super soldiers you know

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that's been catching my craw recently

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fact oh yeah it's true you know I read

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it I read it on Google so I know it's

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true yeah well the this grand arc of

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ufology Paul was talking about oh those

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are and those stories you know that

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growing over the years with the secret

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pact and with the aliens and all of that

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x-files and out of that stuff that

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almost 25 years now but I know can you

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school contact these just because of the

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innocence that came out of that period

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and all the colorful characters you

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probably know I've been working on a

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book with my friend Greg Bishop

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on the old school contactees which were

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close to finishing after about five

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years and I and I've been anxiously

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awaiting that book too you know and I'm

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gonna share some snippets tonight as we

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get talking about sex and UFOs

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I've written a couple things working on

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this contactee book and it's kind of a

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who's-who where you have entries for a

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lot of different contactees and sex

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old-school contactees and also i wrote

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another article in a few years now that

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was published in the dark lore anthology

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that Greg Taylor puts out that daily

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grill and it was called SAR tackle was

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called sex drugs and UFOs did as we

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proceed here that's great the characters

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realistic alien costumes as their boss

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insists upon well are they male or are

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they female and they ask each other

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should we make a aliens or gray aliens

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or female Ian's

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or even [\h__\h] Ian's if they don't have

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a particular gender what exactly is

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landing and poking around on our planet

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and poking around on abductees and

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contactees and it gets to be comical but

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it does raise the question do they have

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gender do they have male and female and

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reproductive organs when they what

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various races come here and what does

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happen and some of these abduction cases

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were they're trying to create

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hybridization you know and create a new

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race supposedly according to some of

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these people it's a pretty strange wild

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subject well you know the early as as

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Adam was referring to you know the early

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contact he's with the the the space

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brothers and all that their descriptions

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a lot of times of these characters then

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they were almost androgynous even though

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you know they would identify themselves

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as male or female a lot of them were

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always reported as you know being you

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know beautiful and you know with a fair

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skin and blue of eye and and all that so

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so yeah don't forget don't forget or

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arrange she was tops and shapeliness and

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if if he if he was making all of that up

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he sure had an interesting fantasy life

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if or arranged just you know simply was

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a product of a you know vivid late-night

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imagination because and you know Tim

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Beck Lee's personal assistant Carol Ann

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Rodriguez did a drawing of aura rates at

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what time that I think has been used was

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it in greats book Greg Bishop spook yeah

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I'm quite familiar with well I've seen

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it in a lot of places aura was a Barrera

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Marie excuse Marie wearing space babe

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from Clara for the most part with the

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fifties fifty sixties contactees and the

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sexual component that was in some of

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their stories yeah normally oh pretty

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much across the board these were all the

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human looking ETS it wasn't later until

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we got into the abduction period where

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the sexual experience seemed to change

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more of a some cases you know violent or

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bordering on even sexual abuse you know

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with the probes and all these things

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going on and some of those experiences

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even you know even though whitley

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strieber described his experiences as

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painful and frightening on you know also

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he felt that they heightened his

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awareness and he learned from those

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experiences you know type of kind of a

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spiritual experience for him

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were there sexual stories involving the

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so-called Nords the nordic type

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humanoid-looking yeah there's there's

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quite a few yeah you know the main

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planets during the that contactee period

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they're either meeting visitors from

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Venus or Mars or in the case of hora

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rains Clarion which was hidden hidden

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within our galaxy but yeah for the most

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part they were the blond-haired

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blue-eyed beautiful Nordic sore in and

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then in some of the cases they were

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described as olive-skinned or kind of

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Italian looking space brothers and space

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sisters Howard Howard Ben juris probably

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yeah uh you know yeah I mean his his

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contacts with the with the you know with

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with the Nordics was extremely even

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though you know these these early Brooks

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even I don't think they could have

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gotten away with being very graphic or

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even talking that much about any kinds

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of you know sexual liaisons between them

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but Howard made you know some some

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hinted at it and the first experience at

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his oh it's like where he grew up as a

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child out in New Jersey or New York is

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like on a farm as when he met Marla this

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beautiful buxom blonde haired and

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bombshell from outer space from Venus

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who was like he found her sitting on a

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rock she's the most beautiful woman she

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was supposedly five hundred years old

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but didn't look a day over 21 and it's

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kind of intimated that he might have

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been initiated at that point this is

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from his book I forget get the name of

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his book now but later in life he saw

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either the reincarnation of Marla or

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wasn't quite clear but that ended up

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being his wife Connie Minjae right right

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and kind you still alive by the way yeah

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yeah

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Howard passed away a few years back but

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but Connie it's still still in there I

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mean and Howard I mean he divorced his

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first wife to marry her and went on to

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make a badly produced record album of oh

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yeah music from outer space that's right

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that's right dedicated to his

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otherworldly lover gee does that mean

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the 500 year old buxom blonde is still

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available yes she's still around I don't

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I think that living on earth has maybe

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been a little bit hard on her harmony

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she doesn't quite look like she did in

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the in the 1950s but forty years uh you

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know fifty years ago if she's five

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hundred if she's aging well

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yeah there you go it was anyone else

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seriously ever reported such a thing

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that would corroborate such a wild story

394
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not really and there was a lot of those

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wild stories out there during the day

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back in the day

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there was someone from South America who

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reported like a beautiful woman would

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took him aboard and pleasured him shall

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we say and it was a rather famous story

401
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I think back in the 70s is that sound

402
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right Oh earlier earlier than that

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Billis Villa ball at Bo's yeah Brazil I

404
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was like oh gosh what about late 1950s I

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think you III have passage right in

406
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front of me was 1957 when the 23 year

407
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old Brazilian farmer was taken aboard a

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00:23:15,159 --> 00:23:11,629
UFO apparently they slipped him some

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type of aphrodisiac Mickey of some sort

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and he was forced to have sex with she

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was described as an attractive

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red-haired pointy breasts feminine ID

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and she was making odd animal-like

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grunting noises which was always a

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peculiar partners living let me

416
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interrupt you here Adam because we have

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to go to our bottom of the hour break

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we'll continue this conversation in just

419
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a few minutes experience

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

422
00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:02,450
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar and I encourage our

425
00:24:16,419 --> 00:24:13,490
listeners that if you have questions for

426
00:24:19,149 --> 00:24:16,429
for Paul or Adam you know this this is

427
00:24:23,169 --> 00:24:19,159
an excellent program to ask these

428
00:24:26,499 --> 00:24:23,179
questions you know talking about the

429
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section UFOs sex and aliens or you know

430
00:24:36,419 --> 00:24:32,480
the trying to introduce people to the

431
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:36,429
history of the flying saucer phenomena

432
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:39,950
that you know this this this is a great

433
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way so just send your questions to us

434
00:24:48,009 --> 00:24:45,250
through through Tina

435
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:48,019
mental telepathy I don't care just get

436
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:49,940
it to us because we'd love to hear from

437
00:24:55,649 --> 00:24:52,940
you so Adam I want to continue on

438
00:24:57,879 --> 00:24:55,659
talking about the villa Boas case

439
00:25:02,740 --> 00:24:57,889
because I think that was one of the

440
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:02,750
first ones at least I mean it may have

441
00:25:07,149 --> 00:25:04,250
not actually have been he liked the

442
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:07,159
first incident of that tide but it was

443
00:25:11,289 --> 00:25:08,600
the first one that actually somebody

444
00:25:13,419 --> 00:25:11,299
dared write about it I think first time

445
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:13,429
first place I read about it was you know

446
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:17,809
maybe a choral Lorenza wrote something

447
00:25:23,409 --> 00:25:20,470
up about it in one of one of her books

448
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,419
but you know and that was that was quite

449
00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:25,039
a you know that was a number of years

450
00:25:28,919 --> 00:25:27,320
after the case I mean nobody would dare

451
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:28,929
write about that in the early sixties

452
00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:33,500
yeah it seems to stand out as perhaps

453
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:37,580
one of the first quote-unquote abduction

454
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:41,750
cases that you know had sex involved in

455
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:44,990
the story and it's it's quite different

456
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,159
you know if you look at the contact ear

457
00:25:58,590 --> 00:25:52,240
that kind of started really in 52 with

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Adamski's sighting so the villa Boas was

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1957

460
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so you know during that contact Eid

461
00:26:08,770 --> 00:26:04,250
period but it is quite different than

462
00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:08,780
all of the contactee cases during that

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00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:09,429
time

464
00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:13,850
well you had there have been a period I

465
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:17,030
think starting in what was like maybe

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00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:21,230
fifty three where you had a number of a

467
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:24,020
UFO sightings in South America and

468
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France Spain that that had deviated

469
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:31,190
wildly away from the whole space

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00:26:38,049 --> 00:26:33,770
brothers you know friendly New Age type

471
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of contacts to these you know landed

472
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:41,600
saucers with little guys in spacesuits

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00:26:45,370 --> 00:26:43,370
you know coming out and you know

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sometimes actually attacking the

475
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witnesses yes yes yeah yeah and so and

476
00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:51,470
so and then you had you know this this

477
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:55,220
case with Villa Boas where are we yeah

478
00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:00,080
he was attacked off there was any

479
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:02,270
witnesses to a lot of these stories and

480
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and there was a lot of the contactees

481
00:27:11,650 --> 00:27:08,650
you know it was like they were either

482
00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:11,660
making things up or they were conmen I

483
00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:14,990
think some of them believe their stories

484
00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:17,720
but it was you know kind of a

485
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:22,220
subconscious projection but a lot of

486
00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:24,290
people were impressed by the villa Boas

487
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:26,600
case he was you know people actually

488
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:30,410
went out and interviewed him and he

489
00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:33,380
seemed you know like a solid witness I

490
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:35,750
think they might have even I might be

491
00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:38,450
confusing this with another case but

492
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:41,900
they did a lie-detector on and then he

493
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,840
is it seemed you know his testimony

494
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:47,840
seemed believable there were no other

495
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:51,080
witnesses to the case I want to mention

496
00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:53,570
one other that happened in Brazil and

497
00:28:03,600 --> 00:27:58,400
this was in 1979 it was kind of a not

498
00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:03,610
one to guy name he was a 25 year old

499
00:28:09,419 --> 00:28:06,919
Antonio Fiera I think I'm saying that

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00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:09,429
name right with witness to saucer land

501
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:11,690
followed by the appearance of some

502
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,970
robots who abducted him

503
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:16,100
and took him aboard their craft and

504
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:18,890
their fear encountered a repulsive

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00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:21,770
female alien with bad breath that's a

506
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:24,890
nice touch I'm going over he resisted

507
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,270
and in response the robots took his

508
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,520
clothes off and gave him an injection of

509
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:33,740
some sort a lot of these cases you have

510
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:36,650
like drugs are involved same thing with

511
00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:39,650
villain Boas anyway that injection kind

512
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:44,750
of caused him to succumb then the robots

513
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:47,230
covered him with an amber covered oil

514
00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:50,990
mmm emotion maybe and followed that

515
00:28:59,680 --> 00:28:56,660
followed by that an alien gal did the

516
00:29:02,050 --> 00:28:59,690
bump and grind with him so this it was

517
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:02,060
similar to the villa Boas cased he was

518
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:07,070
kind of forced into that well suspicious

519
00:29:11,890 --> 00:29:09,470
if someone starts changing their story

520
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:11,900
and then adding to it sexing it up

521
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:14,810
making it really mild sounding then you

522
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:17,000
know that someone just wants attention

523
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:19,910
or money for a book deal or a movie deal

524
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:22,340
and I'll point out real quick Bob Lazar

525
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:24,530
said that he was approached by a few

526
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:27,110
Hollywood producers who offered him some

527
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:29,930
substantial money for his story but they

528
00:29:35,770 --> 00:29:32,210
wanted to sex it up and put in violent

529
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:35,780
aliens attack oh yeah he turned them all

530
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:38,570
down he never changed his story he

531
00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:40,910
sticks to the same story to this day and

532
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:44,600
he doesn't want it turned into some wild

533
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:46,610
Hollywood production a fictionalized

534
00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:47,270
thing

535
00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:49,550
well that's often what they want to do

536
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:52,460
they want to have a love interest in the

537
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:57,290
story I know my friend Greg Bishop from

538
00:30:01,810 --> 00:29:59,750
the book called Project beta and truly a

539
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:01,820
spy story has to do with the whole

540
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:04,940
bennewitz affair and he was talking to

541
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:09,770
some producers and you know that always

542
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:11,960
came up and when they were discussing

543
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:13,850
this well we got it you know but put

544
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:16,820
that love angle and write an extra

545
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:18,830
character in here that's the love

546
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,510
interest that type of thing oh my god

547
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:25,250
you don't need that to make a good story

548
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:27,210
but you know there's

549
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:30,750
formula that people in Hollywood want to

550
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:33,950
follow sometimes mmm well it's like the

551
00:30:39,019 --> 00:30:36,600
the movie that they made about the

552
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,029
Travis Walton case where they basically

553
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:41,159
they basically turned it into a horror

554
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:44,130
film yes I didn't care for that at all I

555
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,750
bet whitley strieber was he privately

556
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:47,880
pretty upset with that finished result

557
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:51,000
that movie well he was like a

558
00:30:59,049 --> 00:30:54,659
co-producer I think of that one it was

559
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:04,580
it was but you know I the customer I

560
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:06,450
can't remember the name of the the

561
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:09,809
directors Australian director but the

562
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:12,510
the two collaborated fairly close

563
00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:16,100
together you know to produce that film

564
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:21,980
but you know I need how many how many

565
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:24,539
movies have you ever seen you know

566
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,029
supposedly based on you know true life

567
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:30,559
events in in this field have come out

568
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:34,950
satisfactory get upon the keyword based

569
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,870
upon that's what they'll put at the

570
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:38,760
start of the movie based upon a true

571
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:40,529
story yeah then they added a bunch of

572
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,880
extra junk to it

573
00:31:47,779 --> 00:31:44,640
I think the popularity of Independence

574
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,789
Day back and I think 1996 caused

575
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:49,620
Hollywood to really stand up and take

576
00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:52,110
notice if you have evil aliens invading

577
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:54,390
and a big fight and lots of drama that's

578
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:56,100
what they're looking for to copy off of

579
00:32:00,860 --> 00:31:57,980
that

580
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:00,870
well there's gas whoa-ho what's it

581
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:02,610
called The Awakening that came out last

582
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:07,190
year I think that was the title that

583
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:10,500
they did a very good job with fats

584
00:32:17,419 --> 00:32:15,000
there's no no no evil aliens no big

585
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:17,429
explosions no CGI

586
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:21,630
no no overblown CGI it was just this an

587
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:28,260
attempt to communicate with a an alien

588
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,130
race that came to the planet and and we

589
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:35,760
had to learn their language which it was

590
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:41,130
nothing like anything that our feeble

591
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,770
brains could even conceive you're

592
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,200
talking about something that a language

593
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:49,679
that transcended time and space so wrap

594
00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:52,409
your heads around that did that do well

595
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:55,649
at the box office was that a success it

596
00:33:02,930 --> 00:32:59,760
it probably it probably was because it

597
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:02,940
didn't cost that much to make you know

598
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:04,289
there's one of those types of movies

599
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:09,059
where the least bit you know a few

600
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:10,919
million dollars on it and when I say few

601
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:12,750
you know like maybe 20 million something

602
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,510
like that so it probably did okay in the

603
00:33:20,379 --> 00:33:17,880
United States but probably did better

604
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:20,389
overseas where seems like anymore most

605
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,470
most movies make their money but Paul I

606
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:28,380
want to ask you now you brought up Bob

607
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:28,919
Lazar

608
00:33:37,090 --> 00:33:34,320
and for for those who are audience who

609
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:37,100
may not be familiar with with Bob Lazar

610
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,630
do you want to tell us you know just say

611
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:41,940
oh give us give us an idea of who Bob

612
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:45,419
Lazar was and why we're talking about

613
00:33:50,299 --> 00:33:48,450
him well Bob Lazar was a scientist or

614
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,309
claimed to be and he certainly talks

615
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,440
like a scientist and some people dispute

616
00:33:57,139 --> 00:33:54,779
his scientific background his training

617
00:33:59,539 --> 00:33:57,149
and his knowledge including a dr.

618
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,549
Stanton Friedman who's just almost up in

619
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,220
arms he says Oh Bob Lazar is a fraud

620
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:04,980
however Lazar came forward with an

621
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:07,470
amazing story in the late 1980s and it

622
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:09,690
got a lot of airplay and to this day

623
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:12,450
they still have an alien theme to their

624
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,730
baseball team in Las Vegas and the

625
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:17,280
extra-terrestrial highway and talk of

626
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,089
area 51 still because of Bob Lazar who

627
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,060
said I worked on a captured alien

628
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,399
spacecraft trying to understand it

629
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,980
reverse engineer he said he saw others

630
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:31,440
and a large hangar what we call

631
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:33,090
for built into the side of a mountain

632
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:36,300
not far from area 51 and another

633
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,610
interesting factor is that he said he

634
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:40,320
was shown at one point a briefing

635
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:43,470
document and it had even photographs of

636
00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:48,510
gray aliens autopsies the slides tissue

637
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:52,230
sample results and what appeared to be a

638
00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:55,250
head we've been information cold from

639
00:34:59,780 --> 00:34:57,360
communication where they were from

640
00:35:04,190 --> 00:34:59,790
how far away their planet is why they

641
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,200
are here their various habits and what

642
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:06,000
they think of earth and religion and

643
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:08,490
such and he was allowed to read this on

644
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:12,720
one day so he has no tangible proof as

645
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,080
is so often the problem in UFO stories

646
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:18,780
but he never changed his story

647
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:22,170
he refused to recant it and I believe he

648
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,270
came up with an element that was someone

649
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,040
off the charts that he claimed was part

650
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,320
of this spacecraft that he was working

651
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:30,000
on and in today's world I believe

652
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:32,310
they've discovered this element does

653
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,130
exist and it's something that somewhat

654
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:38,400
supports his tale and I believe the Bob

655
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:41,180
pops up every now and then working on

656
00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:43,590
some sort of I think he's part of like

657
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,600
the survivalist community in Michigan or

658
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:47,640
something like that you can correct me

659
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:48,770
if I'm wrong

660
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:52,050
he Dell he does live in Michigan he

661
00:36:00,980 --> 00:35:55,560
actually he's got a little company where

662
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:00,990
he sells I guess electronics and various

663
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:04,860
kinds of chemicals and and things like

664
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:05,160
that

665
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:08,370
- I think defense got a lot of defense

666
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:14,190
contractors I know that he was working

667
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:20,370
on coming up with ways to power cars

668
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:23,610
using hydrogen but you know like a lot

669
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:27,810
more efficient methods of doing it then

670
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:29,130
you know what they what they currently

671
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:33,990
have so that's fired by the government

672
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:35,850
for taking some friends late at night

673
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,430
out to the desert to watch test runs of

674
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:41,280
these alien craft and even try to record

675
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:45,150
some and that supposedly got him cashier

676
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,579
and he was being followed around and he

677
00:36:53,809 --> 00:36:49,140
felt like maybe his life was in danger

678
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:53,819
at one point it's interesting the shows

679
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:56,249
like hard copy or Inside Edition or a

680
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,220
Current Affair back in those days

681
00:37:02,089 --> 00:37:00,599
decided to go out into the desert and

682
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:02,099
see what they could record and they

683
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:03,960
found plenty of other people out there

684
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:05,609
and they got their videos and there's

685
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:09,990
some very interesting nighttime UFO

686
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,079
images of craft going up in the air and

687
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:14,880
moving around and zipping about and very

688
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:18,960
strange non-human type formations and

689
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,440
that tend to lend credence to his

690
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:24,839
authenticity but then the whole thing

691
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,970
just seemed to fade away that no one

692
00:37:30,019 --> 00:37:28,619
could find proof one way or the other

693
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:30,029
and he just doesn't want to talk about

694
00:37:37,339 --> 00:37:34,440
it much anymore well you know people

695
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,349
like Nick Redfern speculate that you

696
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:39,900
know people like Lazar may actually have

697
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:44,390
been deliberately fed you know

698
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:46,920
misleading information for whatever

699
00:37:52,309 --> 00:37:49,980
reason you know to see if just to see if

700
00:37:56,769 --> 00:37:52,319
they would talk and who would pay

701
00:38:00,739 --> 00:37:56,779
attention to them when they did talk I

702
00:38:04,819 --> 00:38:00,749
don't know I mean I've always been kind

703
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:04,829
of fascinated by lazarre's a case I mean

704
00:38:09,009 --> 00:38:07,710
I not not one of the ones is gonna go

705
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,019
and you know have a knee-jerk reaction

706
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:11,579
one way or the other you know like oh

707
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:13,230
yeah I totally believe you more I

708
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,170
totally disbelieve him you know I always

709
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:19,920
found it interesting because you know

710
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:23,519
the guys I obviously highly educated

711
00:38:28,819 --> 00:38:26,849
knows what he's talking about yet he has

712
00:38:31,099 --> 00:38:28,829
no paper trail you know it's like the

713
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:31,109
guy never never existed he never went

714
00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:36,660
school anywhere yeah the the places that

715
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:39,059
you know that he claimed he worked you

716
00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:40,619
know there's there's no evidence that he

717
00:38:46,299 --> 00:38:42,329
worked there there's somebody did find I

718
00:38:50,269 --> 00:38:46,309
guess it was a gosh what was it like a

719
00:38:52,999 --> 00:38:50,279
w-2 from doing some work for the

720
00:38:56,359 --> 00:38:53,009
government at some facility maybe Los

721
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:56,369
Alamos so plant and I and I think

722
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,530
somebody also found like a like

723
00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:01,200
internal phone book that had his nay

724
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:03,120
they had his name listed on it so

725
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:07,440
obviously he was around but did we have

726
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,970
to ask ourselves did the government

727
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:11,040
scrub his past and that's kind of scary

728
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:14,490
on its own isn't it all of his past

729
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:16,710
records from school or where he lived

730
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:18,600
they couldn't find much did the

731
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:20,370
government come in and just take him

732
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:28,140
away I would suggest this if he well

733
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:30,650
yeah like you see Paula's story was

734
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:33,510
consistent but looking from the angle if

735
00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:37,590
he was a quote/unquote useful idiot the

736
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:41,430
whole thing about briefing papers and

737
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:46,110
has cropped up again again ufology over

738
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:47,850
the years people get to look at these

739
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,710
briefing papers but you can't make

740
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:52,200
copies you can look at them for a few

741
00:39:57,110 --> 00:39:54,290
minutes I mean that goes back to

742
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,120
bennewitz and Bill Moore had that

743
00:40:05,780 --> 00:39:59,640
scenario Linda Moulton Howe of mom how

744
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:05,790
right same deal you know with these you

745
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:08,610
know they get a little a whiff of

746
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:13,170
something and but you know were they

747
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:17,220
being led around by the nose were they

748
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:21,150
just being used to muddy muddy the

749
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,190
waters about footage and information and

750
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:28,020
then it just doesn't appear and then

751
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:32,070
they end up rather foolish well there

752
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:35,430
was what was his name I can never

753
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:38,070
pronounce his last name and any burger

754
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:42,900
no no that's not yeah ed an acre yes yes

755
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:45,420
who was also for people who don't know

756
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:49,460
he also produced the Lancelot link

757
00:41:03,830 --> 00:40:58,650
Saturday Saturday morning you know he

758
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:03,840
was promised footage from the air force

759
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:07,310
for a documentary film that that he was

760
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:10,050
he basically he was talked into produce

761
00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:11,890
in it he had no interest in it he was

762
00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:13,869
to do a documentary on something else

763
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:18,369
and he was approached by a you know

764
00:41:21,299 --> 00:41:19,960
these these high-ranking officials from

765
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:21,309
the Air Force and said hey you know

766
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:24,700
we've got these you know great UFO films

767
00:41:30,089 --> 00:41:26,680
you know we ought to do a story on that

768
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:30,099
and he talked to a lot of people and was

769
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:34,420
all set to produce lists and he was

770
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:39,010
supposed to get it was like a wing gun

771
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:43,440
footage of UFOs and other top-secret

772
00:41:49,019 --> 00:41:46,329
films and then at the last minute it was

773
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:49,029
all pulled out from underneath him it

774
00:41:55,289 --> 00:41:51,990
was allegedly a landing at Holloman Air

775
00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:55,299
Force Base where the ETS actually came

776
00:42:02,279 --> 00:41:58,990
out of the ship and he was Emma Nagar

777
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:02,289
was actually shown some footage but it

778
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:04,180
didn't show that it was more of a light

779
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:07,240
in the sky type thing and he was shown

780
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:10,180
some stills and he was promised the

781
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:13,660
complete footage for their documentary

782
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:17,500
you know and I think this was like 75

783
00:42:26,359 --> 00:42:21,130
and the same scenario that happened with

784
00:42:29,279 --> 00:42:26,369
Linda Moulton Howe that they got kind of

785
00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:29,289
strung along over a period of time then

786
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,140
got the rug pulled out from under their

787
00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:35,440
feet that was around the time of the

788
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:37,900
Nixon Watergate scandal that may have

789
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:40,450
had an impact on so much government

790
00:42:43,499 --> 00:42:43,180
corruption and cover-up and what do we

791
00:42:45,269 --> 00:42:43,509
want

792
00:42:47,309 --> 00:42:45,279
yeah what do we not so that might have

793
00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:47,319
been a factor well yeah I think you're

794
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:51,069
exactly right that's when Emma Nagar

795
00:43:00,269 --> 00:42:56,460
said I think in the the film Mirage Minh

796
00:43:03,089 --> 00:43:00,279
that out there was an interview with him

797
00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:03,099
and he does mention you know the

798
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:05,380
Watergate period and that might have

799
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,640
been part of what was driving that at

800
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:11,650
the time I'd love to hear what both of

801
00:43:16,799 --> 00:43:14,380
you think at this point of the Richard

802
00:43:21,509 --> 00:43:16,809
Nixon Jackie Gleason affair we

803
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:21,519
supposedly saw alien races in freezers

804
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:23,810
on homestead Air Force Base what

805
00:43:29,350 --> 00:43:27,680
think of that I wish I wish Timothy

806
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:29,360
green Beckley was here to talk about

807
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:30,790
that because that's one of his favorite

808
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:34,760
stories you know because you know that I

809
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:38,800
mean Jackie Gleason was very much a

810
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:41,570
interested in you opposed oh yeah I mean

811
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:44,860
he had he had like this huge library of

812
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:49,310
UFOs and supposedly now I don't think

813
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:51,740
that this story came from Gleason and

814
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:53,330
himself but I think he came from his

815
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:57,290
widow where where she said that you know

816
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:59,570
yeah you did a second a second hand

817
00:44:05,350 --> 00:44:01,430
story so you have to take it as you you

818
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:05,360
know as well that you know he told her

819
00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:08,540
that you know he was golfing buddies so

820
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:12,340
with Nixon and Nixon knew about his

821
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:15,110
interest in UFOs and he was just like

822
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:16,790
you know you wanna know about UFOs come

823
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:21,440
on and he took took Gleason - and you

824
00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:24,110
Jim ever Adam it was in Florida yeah

825
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:28,100
homestead Air Force right well done and

826
00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:30,920
in a underground facility supposedly

827
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:33,560
there was the you know the glass cases

828
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:37,520
with the frozen aliens inside and you

829
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:39,410
know Gleason's Widow I guess you know

830
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,770
she swore that that you know he told her

831
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:44,720
that and he was convinced that what he

832
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:49,760
saw was real it's hard to say you know

833
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:52,910
it's it's it's a story that's all you

834
00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:56,900
have right yeah never came out and said

835
00:45:01,540 --> 00:44:59,180
oh that's a bunch of hogwash she refused

836
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:01,550
to comment on it publicly which is very

837
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:11,570
strange - yeah I think I think you know

838
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:14,630
if if it was a if it you know if it is a

839
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:17,570
true story that it was his you know his

840
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:20,540
loyalty to his friend Nixon you know

841
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:22,670
that he wasn't going to go and reveal it

842
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:27,230
publicly but you know I mean his his his

843
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,630
ex-wife you know is his widow she swears

844
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:32,720
that that's what he told her and she

845
00:45:39,790 --> 00:45:37,730
believed him shaken and pale and

846
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,800
he couldn't sleep he couldn't eat for a

847
00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:41,900
long time and he almost didn't work in

848
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,580
show business for a couple of years

849
00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:46,400
years that had affected him so badly I

850
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:49,640
mean if that is true that's hard to fake

851
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,990
that kind of emotional upset kind of

852
00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:55,280
reaction to something which would be

853
00:46:03,490 --> 00:45:58,730
very human I think you were gonna say

854
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:03,500
something Adam yeah well yeah that's a

855
00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:04,190
good point

856
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:08,840
I mean be interesting for hardcore

857
00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:10,940
researcher to really pin down the dates

858
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:14,660
when that happened and you know

859
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:17,710
confirmed that both Nixon and Gleason

860
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:20,680
were there at that time and maybe

861
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:24,560
whatever other you know cooperating

862
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:26,150
information you could get what I was

863
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:31,040
gonna add yeah Gleason had this awesome

864
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:33,800
library and I believe he had a house

865
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:36,230
that was shaped like a UFO is that

866
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:41,150
correct yes yes he did and he also had

867
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:45,200
like an astounding oh there's like 20

868
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:48,050
bathrooms in that place probably because

869
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:51,530
he was or maybe because maybe it was

870
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:03,700
thought the main out part of the house

871
00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:05,930
which was circular shaped the mothership

872
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:08,780
and he had a garage that was circular

873
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:10,609
shaped and he called it the scoutship I

874
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:14,450
mean he was just nuts yeah very much so

875
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:18,740
right and I'm not I'm not sure but I I

876
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,660
seem to remember you know Beckley saying

877
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:23,359
that his collection is still intact

878
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,190
somewhere oh is that where it is okay

879
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:30,650
well that's that's that's great because

880
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:32,540
you know that's something that Begley

881
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:34,430
and I have talked about before on this

882
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:37,850
show so many of these collections you

883
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:41,240
know ended up disappearing or locked

884
00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:43,090
away in a garage someplace and

885
00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:45,020
unfortunately we'll have to leave it at

886
00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:46,280
that because

887
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:48,140
we have to go to our top of the hour

888
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:51,020
break so we'll be back in a few minutes

889
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,260
[Music]

890
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:06,740
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

891
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:09,230
into the world of the paranoid

892
00:48:16,809 --> 00:48:12,510
strap yourself in as we traverse the

893
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:16,819
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

894
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:21,270
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

895
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:25,410
as well as other dimensions it's time to

896
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,910
take back the night now your

897
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:32,160
electrifying hosts of exploring the

898
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:42,140
alright welcome back here we are in the

899
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:43,710
second hour of exploring the bizarre

900
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:47,910
with Adam go rightly and Paul Blake

901
00:48:58,099 --> 00:48:53,569
Smith and we are talking about UFOs and

902
00:49:01,329 --> 00:48:58,109
of the kind of like they're the fringe

903
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,339
elements almost got mean you know people

904
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:03,960
might as well have been at UFOs they're

905
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:06,450
pretty frenzy just by themselves but

906
00:49:12,289 --> 00:49:08,369
it's hard to believe that there's a

907
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:12,299
friend's element to what's already a

908
00:49:18,859 --> 00:49:17,369
fringe so we'll continue this

909
00:49:21,319 --> 00:49:18,869
conversation it's very interesting

910
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:21,329
tonight so uh Paul you had you had a

911
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,210
question that you wanted us to bring up

912
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:26,460
well I'd like to know more I'm sure your

913
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:29,089
listeners would too about what's

914
00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:32,190
happened to Robert odine who had a very

915
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:34,859
fascinating story come forward I believe

916
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,200
in the 1980s when he worked at the Army

917
00:49:44,539 --> 00:49:42,240
headquarters in France the Allied

918
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:44,549
headquarters he said he was allowed to

919
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,910
see a locked up classified top-secret

920
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:50,700
report that said the American government

921
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,180
was secretly studying UFOs had dead

922
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:56,880
bodies recovered from crashes some in

923
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,119
Europe and that there was various races

924
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:02,690
he counted at least five including

925
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,030
reptilians and maybe Nordic types and

926
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:09,240
grays and and some that looked very much

927
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,670
like humans could nearly walk down the

928
00:50:14,810 --> 00:50:13,440
street and not be recognized which is a

929
00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:14,820
little frightening

930
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,190
and he is never wavered from his story

931
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:20,160
he has very fine military credentials

932
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,360
and he claims that part of what he

933
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:26,700
allowed was allowed to see he would

934
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:28,290
sneak it to the bathroom and right

935
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,110
little crib notes and try to write a

936
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:34,140
summary of what he read in this file

937
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,300
without actually photocopying it then

938
00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:38,280
they would sneak it back into its cage

939
00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:40,320
and lock it up this was during the

940
00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:42,840
graveyard shift overnight and I was just

941
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:44,550
curious what do people in ufology

942
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:47,970
nowadays think of Robert o Dean who has

943
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:53,010
not changed his story you know I

944
00:51:02,060 --> 00:50:57,810
actually saw him speak worm time in

945
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:02,070
Indianapolis and he he he basically told

946
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:05,490
that same very same story that you just

947
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,900
referred to I do know that he was in the

948
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:15,000
US Army as I think it was a command

949
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:18,690
sergeant major but don't hold me on that

950
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:32,870
cosmic top-secret clearance while in the

951
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:37,230
military now I have to admit I had not

952
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:41,490
heard that type of clearance before so

953
00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:45,270
when I first heard his story yeah it was

954
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,270
like cosmic topic said that to me that

955
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:50,400
just sounded like something he hit over

956
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,750
from science fiction or you know

957
00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:53,700
something that somebody would say just

958
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:56,790
really embellish the story but I I found

959
00:52:03,170 --> 00:51:59,450
out later that yeah there actually is

960
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:03,180
such a such such a clearance though I

961
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:07,430
don't know if it is a US military

962
00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:10,890
clearance I think if memory serves me

963
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:16,040
that that's that's that's like a NATO

964
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:21,210
type of clearance but you know his story

965
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:25,800
is is just so similar to these others

966
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:27,210
that we're that we were talking about

967
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:27,660
you know

968
00:52:33,319 --> 00:52:29,730
Bob Lazar and Linda Moulton Howe were

969
00:52:38,359 --> 00:52:33,329
they you know it was shown or had access

970
00:52:43,279 --> 00:52:38,369
to you know the these secret almost like

971
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:43,289
history papers of the yeah the alien

972
00:52:47,539 --> 00:52:45,630
races and you know how many are here how

973
00:52:51,099 --> 00:52:47,549
long they've been here and and and

974
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:51,109
diameter recurring theme of crashed

975
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:56,099
saucers yes yes yes that and that's that

976
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,010
has been one of the the main points

977
00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:01,260
about I think practically all of these

978
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,680
stories was supposedly you know uh

979
00:53:11,029 --> 00:53:09,180
validating the whole Roswell crash and

980
00:53:15,339 --> 00:53:11,039
then some others you know some others

981
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:15,349
that maybe aren't so widely widely known

982
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:19,770
but you know I haven't heard too much

983
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,200
from him for quite a while of course

984
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:24,960
he's got he must be getting up there

985
00:53:30,529 --> 00:53:27,510
yeah yeah I think he's he's got to be in

986
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:30,539
his 80s at this point I do know that

987
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:34,500
wendell stevens the the late a

988
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:38,089
researcher and writer thought a lot of

989
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:48,760
but you know I would I would say that

990
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:51,900
Robert o Dean had some badass hair as I

991
00:54:04,970 --> 00:53:58,920
recall this military haircut when he got

992
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:04,980
out you know but but again I mean here

993
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:12,990
you have somebody that seems to have a a

994
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:17,400
good background and is telling a story

995
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:25,380
that is fantastic to say the least but

996
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:27,569
that's that's that's basically it I mean

997
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:30,809
how how can they prove it they can't you

998
00:54:37,809 --> 00:54:33,750
know how can we prove it you know we

999
00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:37,819
can't so I mean we're we're forced to

1000
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:40,420
take his word for it

1001
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:43,300
so that the US military has conducted

1002
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:45,510
this survey and they put it into the

1003
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:48,430
report that there have been attempted

1004
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:50,950
contacts between aliens who land summit

1005
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:51,850
air bases

1006
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:54,510
he said that in one Italian Air Base

1007
00:54:59,790 --> 00:54:57,130
spaceship came down and an Italian

1008
00:55:01,980 --> 00:54:59,800
sergeant was approached by aliens

1009
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:01,990
friendly as they may be the Italian

1010
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:03,910
sergeant immediately wet his pants II

1011
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:06,250
was this year he says that's what I read

1012
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:08,050
the report that's what it said so he

1013
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:11,740
handed that along but if so what

1014
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:13,960
happened to this attempts at contact and

1015
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:16,540
why don't we hear more of these types of

1016
00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:21,250
stories well that's like the what we

1017
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:23,620
were talking about in the in the last

1018
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:28,630
hour you know with a guy who's trying to

1019
00:55:35,820 --> 00:55:31,990
produce the the documentary a UFOs past

1020
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:35,830
present future one of the things that

1021
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:38,500
that he was able to do is that he was

1022
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:43,450
able to interview people you know

1023
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:45,880
servicemen who were at the base at the

1024
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:48,670
time of the alleged UFO landing there

1025
00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:52,540
and he I remember him saying that he was

1026
00:55:59,340 --> 00:55:57,190
talking to one radar man and and and he

1027
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:59,350
wasn't quite sure how he was going to

1028
00:56:05,850 --> 00:56:02,220
approach just you know asking this guy

1029
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:05,860
so you know he did he kind of hemmed and

1030
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:07,780
hawed about what you know what he was

1031
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:09,850
trying to ask him and this radar guy you

1032
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:11,740
know just said oh you mean when the

1033
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:13,390
flying saucer landed at the base yeah I

1034
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:15,550
was there you know just this very

1035
00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:19,390
matter-of-factly and you know you know

1036
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:21,100
didn't really I mean yeah yeah it

1037
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:26,350
happened you know so what you know they

1038
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:29,710
it seems to me that a lot of people who

1039
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:33,370
may have been involved in these types of

1040
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:40,110
cases don't I don't think they realize

1041
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:45,310
the subculture around UFOs that you know

1042
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:47,650
those of us who you know are very

1043
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:50,070
intimate you know with it

1044
00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:52,110
you know we'd be really you know really

1045
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:54,060
surprised you know to hear about things

1046
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:56,220
like that but I think some of these guys

1047
00:57:00,350 --> 00:56:58,410
that you know especially in the military

1048
00:57:04,270 --> 00:57:00,360
that had this stuff happened to them

1049
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:06,920
you know what do we know about the radar

1050
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:09,930
guy what did exactly did he just see

1051
00:57:14,570 --> 00:57:12,870
something on his radar and you know

1052
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:14,580
there was a big buzz around the base

1053
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,540
something went on and other you know he

1054
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:20,220
heard from somebody else well yeah it

1055
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:24,690
was a disc-shaped craft or you know some

1056
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:28,590
type of weird craft they hadn't seen

1057
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:31,500
before well I do I do remember them

1058
00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:36,330
saying that that most of the on base

1059
00:57:43,550 --> 00:57:40,620
personnel that weren't involved you know

1060
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:43,560
like it with with the activity and with

1061
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:46,440
the landing were sequestered to their

1062
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:50,220
barracks and told not to come out and I

1063
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,300
know that like the radar man people like

1064
00:58:00,260 --> 00:57:56,720
that they worried rooms without windows

1065
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:00,270
yeah so a lot of the information that

1066
00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:05,240
came to them probably was a scuttlebutt

1067
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:07,830
so who do you know who knows what may

1068
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:10,200
have actually have happened because we

1069
00:58:17,530 --> 00:58:14,310
well you know we all well know how that

1070
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:17,540
sort of information can get around and

1071
00:58:23,180 --> 00:58:20,310
how it can change it's like the old game

1072
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:23,190
you tell telephone line here you play as

1073
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:25,410
a kid as kids you know you'd say

1074
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:27,810
something to one person's ear and then

1075
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:29,730
by the time it made it through the line

1076
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:32,130
you know it was fun to see how much it

1077
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:35,190
had changed or hadn't changed well we

1078
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:37,110
have this much wonderful technology

1079
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:39,690
today and yet that's another problem you

1080
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:43,140
can fake footage with CGI a kid working

1081
00:58:47,330 --> 00:58:44,940
from his own computer could come up with

1082
00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:47,340
his own UFO footage and try to pass it

1083
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:50,100
off these days and it goes viral and

1084
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:52,050
another problems there are lots of

1085
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:53,850
drones and aerial craft and

1086
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:56,850
strange-looking modern airplanes and

1087
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,880
helicopters and Harrier jets and people

1088
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:02,160
mistake them honestly or maybe try to

1089
00:59:05,890 --> 00:59:03,510
fake something

1090
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:05,900
so we can't make advances in ufology

1091
00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:09,000
without everything being totally clear

1092
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,830
with eyewitnesses on the ground and some

1093
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:12,660
sort of hard proof and indisputable

1094
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:14,730
footage and maybe a government report

1095
00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:19,190
and it's still so very frustrating

1096
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:25,080
there's I don't think that we'll ever be

1097
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:29,280
able to make any advances on this

1098
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:34,080
subject at least not unless whatever it

1099
00:59:41,090 --> 00:59:35,690
is it's behind it all

1100
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:41,100
decides to reveal itself and that's not

1101
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:42,390
and I don't think that's never going to

1102
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:46,670
happen my friend Greg Bishop says if any

1103
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:50,130
breakthroughs are made it's for people

1104
00:59:54,620 --> 00:59:52,770
who are looking at something scientist

1105
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:54,630
or whatever something totally different

1106
00:59:59,060 --> 00:59:58,650
it has nothing to do with UFOs yes yes

1107
01:00:04,790 --> 00:59:59,070
oh I

1108
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,800
yeah I definitely believe that and I

1109
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:06,780
think that's who was it was it Greg

1110
01:00:12,830 --> 01:00:11,010
somebody I was listening to one time the

1111
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:12,840
subject had been about artificial

1112
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:17,700
intelligence and and how it may actually

1113
01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:23,760
take an artificial intelligence to to

1114
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:27,300
figure it all out especially when it

1115
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:31,230
comes to the more paranormal aspects of

1116
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:36,660
the phenomena and go ahead Glenn why I

1117
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:41,460
just in the field of ufology you have a

1118
01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:46,380
lot of you know people with different

1119
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:48,630
ideas on it you know people who've made

1120
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:55,400
up their mind what the phenomena is and

1121
01:01:00,680 --> 01:00:58,140
you know that that is kind of a

1122
01:01:04,310 --> 01:01:00,690
roadblock to really discovering what it

1123
01:01:06,260 --> 01:01:04,320
is you need an open mind if President

1124
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:06,270
Trump released documents

1125
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:10,260
film footage steal still photos army

1126
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:12,450
stuff official and said look this is the

1127
01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:14,040
real deal or so they tell me

1128
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:16,320
would people believe that even in

1129
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:16,980
today's were

1130
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:22,200
Oh Trump doesn't exactly have the most

1131
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,230
no reputation for the truth but if he

1132
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:27,359
was military-grade stuff and he's just

1133
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:28,980
saying well I'm passing this stuff along

1134
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:30,780
and you can't absorb it all you want

1135
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,480
would people to understand that we are

1136
01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:36,240
being visited by a few alien races or

1137
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,560
would they still refuse to believe it I

1138
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:42,240
don't think people would I don't think

1139
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:44,430
people would believe it

1140
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:51,240
first of all well some would depends you

1141
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:54,510
know uh true my perspective has always

1142
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:56,010
been you know with the whole UFO

1143
01:02:02,349 --> 01:01:59,010
disclosure thing it's like just release

1144
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:02,359
the materials you know the proponents of

1145
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:05,340
UFO disclosure you know get the truth

1146
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:09,090
out there but government is so

1147
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:11,400
compartmentalized you know especially

1148
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:14,700
intelligence agencies there's like 17

1149
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:19,460
different agencies and they all there's

1150
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:23,430
the need to know things so the

1151
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:28,670
government doesn't know what it knows

1152
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:32,040
yes that's a good way to put it

1153
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:35,369
you know I've I've speculated that at

1154
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:40,200
this point whatever information had been

1155
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:43,410
you know gathered over the years is has

1156
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:45,960
probably been lost as you pointed out

1157
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:47,190
Adam I'm and everything is so

1158
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:50,070
compartmentalized that you know the

1159
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:51,960
people who took care of some of this

1160
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:55,170
stuff may you know if there was ever you

1161
01:02:59,660 --> 01:02:57,180
know like one or a small group of

1162
01:03:03,950 --> 01:02:59,670
caretakers have since passed away

1163
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:03,960
and now you know who knows where this

1164
01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:09,170
information is you know maybe

1165
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:11,329
it's maybe it's been passed on to

1166
01:03:18,819 --> 01:03:14,450
private corporations well yeah

1167
01:03:21,809 --> 01:03:18,829
definitely with oh you had knids a few

1168
01:03:24,839 --> 01:03:21,819
years back that got a lot of that

1169
01:03:29,309 --> 01:03:24,849
information but yeah that's what the

1170
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:29,319
aviary whatever exactly they were was

1171
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:33,200
trying to do you know or the UFO working

1172
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:36,170
group that these different folks were

1173
01:03:42,849 --> 01:03:38,690
involved with from different agencies

1174
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,859
they were trying to share information

1175
01:03:47,799 --> 01:03:44,960
and they all had you know perhaps

1176
01:03:50,349 --> 01:03:47,809
different pieces of the puzzle they're

1177
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:50,359
trying to come together what do we know

1178
01:03:56,049 --> 01:03:53,270
you know it's frustrating they've had on

1179
01:03:58,299 --> 01:03:56,059
Jimmy Kimmel President Clinton President

1180
01:04:01,000 --> 01:03:58,309
Bush I think even President Obama and he

1181
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:01,010
will ask them are we being visited are

1182
01:04:05,890 --> 01:04:02,990
we alone and of course they won't tell

1183
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:05,900
him the three presidents said well I

1184
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:07,490
know some things I'm not going to tell

1185
01:04:14,260 --> 01:04:11,630
you yeah in 2016 a Jeb Bush was

1186
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:14,270
campaigning somewhere at an event for

1187
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:16,450
the public and he brought in his father

1188
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:18,770
mostly confined to a wheelchair and a

1189
01:04:23,289 --> 01:04:20,540
man stood up and says I have a question

1190
01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:23,299
can you tell me about UFOs are we being

1191
01:04:27,250 --> 01:04:25,430
visited or not and the elder Bush

1192
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:27,260
snapped I know some things and I'm not

1193
01:04:37,390 --> 01:04:34,640
telling you that's the punch line they

1194
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:37,400
want to screw with people he knows and

1195
01:04:40,839 --> 01:04:39,290
somebody knows this guy who asked the

1196
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:40,849
question right on out of the building

1197
01:04:44,589 --> 01:04:42,530
they didn't want hear from him anymore

1198
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,599
but it was caught on camera and

1199
01:04:49,030 --> 01:04:46,970
elder Bush admitted that you know as a

1200
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:49,040
head of the CIA and as president he

1201
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:52,609
knows some things but he's after you you

1202
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:53,990
know you were you were talking about

1203
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,250
Trump and during the campaign somebody

1204
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,559
asked him it's off do you hear me okay

1205
01:05:06,490 --> 01:05:03,200
my mic got shifted there yeah you're

1206
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,500
fine but somebody asked him he might

1207
01:05:11,710 --> 01:05:08,240
find it on YouTube it's just a little

1208
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:11,720
snippet what he thought about et's UFOs

1209
01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:15,170
and his answer was I'm not a fan

1210
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:25,390
Oh Trump answer didn't interest him you

1211
01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:29,990
know it's like yeah well no yeah this

1212
01:05:35,799 --> 01:05:33,950
was during the campaign period they're

1213
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:35,809
going to have to land on his golf course

1214
01:05:42,339 --> 01:05:38,180
to get his attention I guess and or well

1215
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:42,349
you have to do that then yeah well that

1216
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:44,270
ad that that's just it yeah he'd be

1217
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:45,650
interested if there was a way that he

1218
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:48,170
can make a profit off of it yeah yeah

1219
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:51,020
but see you know since there's no no

1220
01:05:59,410 --> 01:05:52,910
discernible way to make monies is like

1221
01:06:00,490 --> 01:05:59,420
yeah not a fan start getting phone calls

1222
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:00,500
okay

1223
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:02,170
well now we've got a question from

1224
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:06,650
Trevor and Trevor wants to know so what

1225
01:06:12,790 --> 01:06:08,690
do you guys think about the the talk Tom

1226
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:12,800
DeLonge and his new project my attitude

1227
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:14,809
is wait and see I know he's gotten a lot

1228
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:16,730
of criticism and it is a little strange

1229
01:06:22,089 --> 01:06:19,760
he's asking for money right up front but

1230
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:22,099
we'll see how it goes I'm I'm from

1231
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,430
Missouri you got to show me ditto

1232
01:06:31,329 --> 01:06:28,480
[Laughter]

1233
01:06:35,650 --> 01:06:31,339
like a money-making enterprise because

1234
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,660
he has this whole program lined out for

1235
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:37,520
years to come there's going to be movies

1236
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:39,410
there's going to be books he's working

1237
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:41,230
with different authors and he's

1238
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:45,200
supposedly talking to insiders and this

1239
01:06:51,059 --> 01:06:49,490
and that and I'm quite dubious we'll see

1240
01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:51,069
anything of Merit

1241
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:53,960
well once again though I mean here we

1242
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,390
have somebody who you know who claims

1243
01:07:01,299 --> 01:06:58,880
that you know they have they have this

1244
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:01,309
they're getting insider information

1245
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:04,700
yeah it it fits the pattern we've seen

1246
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:10,160
before yes yes and and it's the same

1247
01:07:17,620 --> 01:07:12,770
pattern repeated over and over and over

1248
01:07:19,809 --> 01:07:17,630
again from people who do not keep up on

1249
01:07:22,990 --> 01:07:19,819
their history there you have no history

1250
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,000
well I would you know it's a new way of

1251
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:24,799
marketing it though you know you go

1252
01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:27,710
through phases and ufology where you

1253
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:30,140
like a UFO conference you see the same

1254
01:07:35,590 --> 01:07:33,950
people the stanton Freedmen's and all of

1255
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:35,600
that and when you

1256
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:38,950
so this is like branding it with a

1257
01:07:43,420 --> 01:07:41,660
somebody who's like a millennial or

1258
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:43,430
close to a millennial he has a

1259
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:47,000
background as a rock star so you know

1260
01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:49,730
maybe that can attract a new audience

1261
01:07:55,540 --> 01:07:53,840
maybe that's the design well that would

1262
01:08:00,010 --> 01:07:55,550
be nice I mean it

1263
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:00,020
I always origin courage you know new new

1264
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:03,050
blood to you know come in and you know

1265
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:05,690
bring in hopefully some some fresh ideas

1266
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:10,730
but it's it's not gonna happen if they

1267
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:14,330
aren't familiar with where everything is

1268
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:16,940
coming from I wasn't necessarily framing

1269
01:08:25,270 --> 01:08:19,970
it as a good thing but just as the

1270
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:25,280
marketing yeah I mean you know but but

1271
01:08:31,329 --> 01:08:27,680
but face it I mean what's what's one of

1272
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:31,339
the major things that most UFO

1273
01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:33,380
investigators are always you know a

1274
01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:37,160
[\h__\h] about is that they don't have any

1275
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:40,760
money to do any proper research and so I

1276
01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:44,089
mean I can't blame somebody from wanting

1277
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:47,660
to find a funding find a funding source

1278
01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:50,690
well it's a popular rock star doesn't he

1279
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:52,430
have a lot of money already

1280
01:09:04,690 --> 01:09:00,010
what was what was the group that he was

1281
01:09:07,690 --> 01:09:04,700
with blink-182 was that it yeah so

1282
01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:07,700
somewhat popular I guess he's a

1283
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:11,180
well-known rock name and now UFO name

1284
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:13,640
but it just seems very strange one of

1285
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,650
the first things he wants is for you to

1286
01:09:20,289 --> 01:09:18,319
write a check to him and we're thinking

1287
01:09:23,050 --> 01:09:20,299
well shouldn't you produce some evidence

1288
01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:23,060
first and oh well the evidence will come

1289
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:29,030
after you join our group the money

1290
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:31,810
that's going to be generated is like

1291
01:09:40,420 --> 01:09:35,330
peanuts compared to real money you know

1292
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:40,430
put into scientific research mmm yeah

1293
01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:43,880
well and then that's that's always been

1294
01:09:47,860 --> 01:09:45,980
the problem when it when it comes to UFO

1295
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:47,870
research so

1296
01:09:56,780 --> 01:09:52,730
it's mostly just you know grassroots

1297
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:56,790
people spending their own money to do

1298
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:01,530
the research and if if any breakthrough

1299
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:04,860
is made it's probably not going to come

1300
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:09,210
from UFO researchers as as Adam and you

1301
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,010
know Greg Bishop says it's probably

1302
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:13,199
going to come out of less left field

1303
01:10:20,540 --> 01:10:19,110
somewhere and and then when it does UFO

1304
01:10:22,939 --> 01:10:20,550
researchers I mean they're going to be

1305
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:22,949
cached to the wayside you know it's it's

1306
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:24,780
it's then going to be the scientist or

1307
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:27,719
whoever who are gonna come in and like

1308
01:10:35,660 --> 01:10:29,699
yeah we do it all along you know and

1309
01:10:39,340 --> 01:10:35,670
this is why and all the hard work that

1310
01:10:47,419 --> 01:10:42,050
it will me it will meet anything you

1311
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:47,429
know it but as I said before I don't

1312
01:10:54,919 --> 01:10:49,110
think that's going to happen I don't

1313
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:54,929
expect to see any change in the whole

1314
01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:57,570
UFO phenomena or the information

1315
01:11:05,030 --> 01:10:59,510
gathering or knowledge base in my

1316
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:05,040
lifetime so we'll leave it at that and

1317
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:07,350
go to our bottom of the hour break and

1318
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:09,000
when we come back we'll continue our

1319
01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:12,930
conversation on exploring the beyond

1320
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:25,810
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1321
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:28,400
two of the most electrifying researchers

1322
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:31,730
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

1323
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:36,530
Lee panting Swift's all right welcome

1324
01:11:41,020 --> 01:11:38,690
back to exploring the bazaar here we are

1325
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:41,030
at the bottom of the hour time is

1326
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:44,450
rapidly running out so Paul we were

1327
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:47,840
talking about Tom DeLonge and and his

1328
01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:51,530
new project do you think that for the

1329
01:11:59,140 --> 01:11:56,510
most part that people care one way or

1330
01:12:01,960 --> 01:11:59,150
the other about UFOs and whether or not

1331
01:12:03,940 --> 01:12:01,970
they're real or not that's a pretty good

1332
01:12:06,730 --> 01:12:03,950
question I think basically deep down

1333
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:06,740
everyone is curious what our place is in

1334
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,110
the universe and if we're being visited

1335
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:11,840
as you heard Jimmy Kimmel he wants to

1336
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,580
know so he asked directly to the

1337
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:15,440
presidents I think it's something that's

1338
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:18,290
in most people's minds but not at the

1339
01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:21,080
forefront just struggling to earn enough

1340
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:23,630
money to survive keeps us pretty busy in

1341
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:25,510
this crazy world

1342
01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:29,540
okay now the characters in your book I

1343
01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:34,430
mean what is it is money their

1344
01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:38,390
motivation for everything it certainly

1345
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:40,430
is for the lead character who's a good

1346
01:12:45,460 --> 01:12:43,010
guy but he's got a gambling problem so

1347
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,470
he creates these alien races at the

1348
01:12:51,010 --> 01:12:48,320
ballpark and he fixes them to make sure

1349
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:51,020
his bets win and he gets mixed up with

1350
01:12:57,340 --> 01:12:53,570
some cutthroat gamblers and loan sharks

1351
01:13:00,820 --> 01:12:57,350
and it gets a little comedy complicated

1352
01:13:03,220 --> 01:13:00,830
but he wins out in the end as should

1353
01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:03,230
happen in any good novel but I do try to

1354
01:13:09,130 --> 01:13:06,260
get into real-life stories one is from

1355
01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:09,140
maybe you're familiar with an April 18th

1356
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:13,220
of 1962 a UFO was sighted over 10 States

1357
01:13:18,190 --> 01:13:16,250
flashing from New York to Utah where it

1358
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:18,200
was seen landing in a small town called

1359
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:20,900
Eureka and the power went out and then

1360
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:22,700
it lifted up and took off in a different

1361
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:26,000
direction and flew over Las Vegas and

1362
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:26,870
was

1363
01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:29,370
photographed in the Las Vegas Sun at

1364
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,200
that time and crashed near Mesquite

1365
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,239
outside of town and I've got a friend

1366
01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:39,000
who went to college in the 1980s in Las

1367
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:41,550
Vegas and he said he decided to look

1368
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:42,930
into this story and he's going to get

1369
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:45,690
the scoop for his college newspaper and

1370
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:47,880
he went to interview the photographer

1371
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,239
for the Vegas Sun and the man just blew

1372
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:53,520
up he just exploded after being very

1373
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:55,710
friendly at first don't talk about this

1374
01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:57,300
subject I don't want to hear about it

1375
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,030
get out of my shop and threw him out of

1376
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:02,640
his store and by the time my buddy got

1377
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:04,890
home he got an ominous phone call saying

1378
01:14:09,709 --> 01:14:07,560
you don't want to go into this story

1379
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:09,719
you're not going to be writing about it

1380
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:12,330
this is how people end up dead this

1381
01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:15,210
ominous voice knew my friend's name he

1382
01:14:20,180 --> 01:14:17,580
knew his parents name threatened them as

1383
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:20,190
well and it scared him shirtless shall

1384
01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:23,370
we say for the audience and it just goes

1385
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:25,080
to show you that apparently the

1386
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:29,430
government knows about this 62 story

1387
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,070
kept covering it up for over 25 years

1388
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:34,980
later and maybe it goes on to this day

1389
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,020
and I think people really want the lid

1390
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:39,360
blown off of these kinds of tales and

1391
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:41,400
just have our government be honest with

1392
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:47,280
us too much to ask no of course not but

1393
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:49,290
you know it makes me wonder though I

1394
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:52,290
mean what would it have been about that

1395
01:15:02,479 --> 01:14:56,760
story that would be deemed you know so

1396
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:02,489
so secretive and see to me the whole

1397
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:04,770
aspect of you know the innominate

1398
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:07,500
anonymous phone calls or in a warning

1399
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:09,570
you know against further investigation

1400
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:15,090
to me just really inflames the story it

1401
01:15:22,670 --> 01:15:18,900
makes it even juicier as far as I'm

1402
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:22,680
concerned I put it in my book and I told

1403
01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:25,860
it quite truthfully and I ran a copy of

1404
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,630
this chapter past my friend and he

1405
01:15:32,350 --> 01:15:29,820
approved it it really did happen he

1406
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:32,360
swears it's true however he has no proof

1407
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,340
you know just like a UFO witness he has

1408
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,920
no proof to this call but he said he was

1409
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:39,780
really really scared when this hat

1410
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:42,450
and he did drop the story needless to

1411
01:15:46,730 --> 01:15:44,610
say and it's been somewhat under

1412
01:15:48,650 --> 01:15:46,740
investigated I know Kevin Randall has

1413
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:48,660
looked into it and done some good work

1414
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:51,690
you can find it on the Internet and I

1415
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:53,400
made sure to include that since it's a

1416
01:16:02,200 --> 01:15:56,730
great Vegas area story in my new book

1417
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:07,220
which you know again it just it makes me

1418
01:16:20,660 --> 01:16:17,520
wonder why why the threats why this type

1419
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:20,670
of secrecy it's the same thing you know

1420
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:23,130
say like with the with the men in black

1421
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:26,970
stories where you you know you have a

1422
01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:29,400
UFO witness or an investigator and then

1423
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:31,590
suddenly they're they're visited by

1424
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:36,540
these these mysterious a being or they

1425
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:39,320
receive threatening phone calls or

1426
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:43,080
threatening letters see that to me that

1427
01:16:49,010 --> 01:16:47,040
just goes and confirms that this person

1428
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,020
is on the right track that's something

1429
01:16:55,670 --> 01:16:52,400
that something definitely is going on

1430
01:16:58,580 --> 01:16:55,680
rather than if nobody said anything if

1431
01:17:02,000 --> 01:16:58,590
you know if no threats were made or

1432
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:02,010
anything like that the story would then

1433
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:05,850
just eventually peter out but I mean

1434
01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:09,840
here you know you talking about the the

1435
01:17:18,730 --> 01:17:13,560
Las Vegas photograph 1962 we're talking

1436
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:18,740
about it now in 2017 when possibly if

1437
01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:23,190
you know your friend hadn't received any

1438
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:25,200
kind of threats or anything like that

1439
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:28,650
yeah nobody would talk about it that's

1440
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:31,110
correct it initially appeared in some

1441
01:17:35,210 --> 01:17:32,610
newspapers because it was such a

1442
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:35,220
prominent UFO at the time this strange

1443
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:37,770
thing that had different colors and some

1444
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:39,960
said it was cigar shaped and that

1445
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,250
happened April 18th the next day it hit

1446
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:46,440
some newspapers and then dead silence

1447
01:17:51,860 --> 01:17:49,290
the no one seemed to be capable of

1448
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:51,870
getting the story out or maybe they were

1449
01:17:55,839 --> 01:17:52,760
warned off

1450
01:17:58,419 --> 01:17:55,849
then I looked up a JFK's White House

1451
01:18:00,040 --> 01:17:58,429
records where was he at the time did he

1452
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:00,050
suddenly have a bunch of meetings with

1453
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:03,170
military men and unfortunately he was

1454
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:06,170
just flown to Palm Beach Florida for the

1455
01:18:11,649 --> 01:18:08,329
Passover Easter holiday at the time and

1456
01:18:15,129 --> 01:18:11,659
there were no records of his phone calls

1457
01:18:18,669 --> 01:18:15,139
or visitors during like a week-long Idol

1458
01:18:21,459 --> 01:18:18,679
in South Florida so the whole story just

1459
01:18:23,890 --> 01:18:21,469
seems to be somewhat dead but the

1460
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:23,900
official story was that all it was just

1461
01:18:30,189 --> 01:18:27,199
a meteorite but if it was why was the

1462
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:30,199
sheriff of Clark County surrounding Las

1463
01:18:35,799 --> 01:18:32,570
Vegas forming a search party and was

1464
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:35,809
denied access by the military to go

1465
01:18:41,410 --> 01:18:38,030
investigate this property which was

1466
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:41,420
government land which is in reality not

1467
01:18:45,790 --> 01:18:43,489
unusual because the government owns a

1468
01:18:47,890 --> 01:18:45,800
tremendous amount of land in the state

1469
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,900
of Nevada they were not allowed to

1470
01:18:51,850 --> 01:18:49,760
pursue this story and we're told to just

1471
01:18:53,379 --> 01:18:51,860
forget it go home and there's nothing to

1472
01:18:55,330 --> 01:18:53,389
it and they were concerned at the time

1473
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:55,340
but you know you just did what your

1474
01:19:00,430 --> 01:18:57,489
government told you then and in the

1475
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:00,440
1980s and I don't know what the reaction

1476
01:19:05,709 --> 01:19:02,650
today would be I think people would

1477
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:05,719
maybe get more organized and send up

1478
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,210
some drones or get an aircraft or

1479
01:19:11,549 --> 01:19:09,920
helicopter and challenge the government

1480
01:19:13,899 --> 01:19:11,559
say what are you gonna do shoot me down

1481
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:13,909
I'm not sure if I would want to do that

1482
01:19:21,850 --> 01:19:19,570
if I were you but times have changed the

1483
01:19:25,569 --> 01:19:21,860
politicians will just declare it fake

1484
01:19:29,259 --> 01:19:25,579
news and Haycock on something else you

1485
01:19:30,939 --> 01:19:29,269
know wreckage and dead aliens and

1486
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:30,949
someone who say nothing to see here move

1487
01:19:41,290 --> 01:19:39,530
along well what what other stories have

1488
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:41,300
you incorporated in your you know you

1489
01:19:47,410 --> 01:19:45,289
fictional book but events that actually

1490
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:47,420
happened I didn't want to get too much

1491
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,690
into Chandler's abductees or contactees

1492
01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:52,400
we talked about them a little tonight I

1493
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,860
get into a little bit of that but I

1494
01:20:02,740 --> 01:19:58,000
included them a little-known story from

1495
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:02,750
January of 1942 in which a shining amber

1496
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:06,050
or yellow red object was seen over the

1497
01:20:09,070 --> 01:20:06,410
Mount

1498
01:20:11,980 --> 01:20:09,080
and 30 minutes before Carole Lombards

1499
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,990
airplane crashed into it and that missus

1500
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:13,760
said it just hung there like a lantern

1501
01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:16,450
in the sky this is long before drones or

1502
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,190
blimps or something like that and it

1503
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:20,960
said after the crash it took off

1504
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:22,520
immediately and just disappeared

1505
01:20:29,710 --> 01:20:26,000
and that FBI reports on this amazing

1506
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:29,720
story were blacked out and kept from the

1507
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:32,270
American public for over 40 years before

1508
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:35,480
they were grudgingly released redacted

1509
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:38,450
in the 1980s but what little that does

1510
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:40,610
remain talks about these lights that

1511
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:43,370
were seen by witnesses and you know I

1512
01:20:49,210 --> 01:20:45,890
think it's a writer is her name Leslie

1513
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:49,220
Keane has written an entire book about

1514
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:51,890
airplanes getting too close to UFOs and

1515
01:20:56,530 --> 01:20:54,560
losing their power and you saw this in

1516
01:20:59,050 --> 01:20:56,540
the movie Close Encounters of the Third

1517
01:21:01,630 --> 01:20:59,060
Kind with Steven Spielberg like Richard

1518
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:01,640
Dreyfuss astruc suddenly goes dead and

1519
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:03,830
an entire neighborhood loses its power

1520
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:07,280
and airplanes lose their power when they

1521
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:09,830
get into closer contact with these

1522
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:13,370
supposedly alien technology so this may

1523
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:16,120
be something that happened in real life

1524
01:21:21,130 --> 01:21:19,070
Carole Lombard and 21 others died when

1525
01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:21,140
their plane crashed into a mountain a

1526
01:21:26,530 --> 01:21:23,740
snow-capped Mountain on a clear

1527
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:26,540
unlimited visibility evening in January

1528
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,360
of 42 and apparently the FBI

1529
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:31,520
investigated thoroughly and they did not

1530
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:33,170
want the American public to hear about

1531
01:21:38,050 --> 01:21:35,870
this and it's still an under

1532
01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:38,060
investigated tale and I made sure to

1533
01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:41,780
include plenty of that in my book now I

1534
01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:47,180
I remember that that story because

1535
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:49,100
apparently the mountain that the pilot

1536
01:21:56,020 --> 01:21:53,840
crashed into well-known mountain and

1537
01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:56,030
pilots who flew that right route

1538
01:22:01,360 --> 01:21:58,610
regularly were very well aware that it

1539
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:01,370
was there and steer steered clear of it

1540
01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:04,490
they were repeatedly don't go anywhere

1541
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:06,440
near this mountain and so what does he

1542
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:10,970
do he drives right into it yeah he had

1543
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:13,490
done takeoffs from the Las Vegas Airport

1544
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:15,890
a number of times before and so it is

1545
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:18,140
copilot they had perfectly working

1546
01:22:24,569 --> 01:22:20,050
instruments according to the

1547
01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:24,579
wreckage recovery investigation but one

1548
01:22:28,290 --> 01:22:27,340
eyewitness said he saw the airplane lost

1549
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,300
its power

1550
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:30,639
you couldn't see the lights on in any

1551
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:32,230
part of the plane and it was struggling

1552
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,750
going to into what he called porpoise

1553
01:22:40,109 --> 01:22:37,360
dives in the air struggling to get level

1554
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,119
and going into a so-called flat spin

1555
01:22:45,330 --> 01:22:42,159
which had to been absolutely terrifying

1556
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:45,340
for anyone on board and it was the early

1557
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,280
days of World War two it was bad news we

1558
01:22:52,589 --> 01:22:50,320
don't really want to spread this around

1559
01:22:54,419 --> 01:22:52,599
it's scary sounding and it's depressing

1560
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:54,429
so I think that was another factor in

1561
01:23:03,180 --> 01:22:56,409
the government squelching an amazing

1562
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:03,190
tale you mentioned that it in Close

1563
01:23:06,839 --> 01:23:04,900
Encounters of the Third Kind you know

1564
01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:06,849
the the scene where Richard Dreyfuss

1565
01:23:14,189 --> 01:23:12,280
truck is frozen in place by the UFO and

1566
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:14,199
you know this this used to be something

1567
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:19,329
that was repeatedly reported from a lot

1568
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:23,440
of UFO witnesses that their car would

1569
01:23:29,310 --> 01:23:26,409
just suddenly stop and it wasn't like it

1570
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:29,320
just you know like like the engine

1571
01:23:37,379 --> 01:23:33,369
failed it was like it was frozen almost

1572
01:23:40,799 --> 01:23:37,389
in in place because when the UFO would

1573
01:23:42,899 --> 01:23:40,809
disappear the a lot of times the the car

1574
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:42,909
would start right back up again

1575
01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:47,610
on its own accord the you know the the

1576
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:49,900
participated oh the the witness wouldn't

1577
01:23:54,089 --> 01:23:51,550
you know try to start the car it would

1578
01:23:56,549 --> 01:23:54,099
start on its own like it even Spielberg

1579
01:23:59,310 --> 01:23:56,559
did a lot of research with dr. Jacques

1580
01:24:00,810 --> 01:23:59,320
Vallee on real-life stories like this

1581
01:24:03,299 --> 01:24:00,820
and made sure to include them

1582
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:03,309
prominently in close encounters and you

1583
01:24:07,770 --> 01:24:06,130
can still see it for this day I trust

1584
01:24:13,169 --> 01:24:07,780
you will get Steven Spielberg on your

1585
01:24:14,819 --> 01:24:13,179
shows so he can cause hope I think Adam

1586
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:14,829
has that connection he'll said of it oh

1587
01:24:22,830 --> 01:24:17,650
yeah right no great there's not the

1588
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:22,840
greatest movie it is yes I when it would

1589
01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:26,290
you know when it came out I think I

1590
01:24:33,689 --> 01:24:29,710
probably saw it at least 10 times in the

1591
01:24:36,689 --> 01:24:33,699
theaters not just the special

1592
01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:36,699
affects for that time was like whoa yeah

1593
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:39,400
it probably opened a lot of minds and

1594
01:24:43,169 --> 01:24:40,900
got people thinking about the

1595
01:24:45,629 --> 01:24:43,179
possibility that we are being visited it

1596
01:24:48,779 --> 01:24:45,639
was a real landmark film with a big

1597
01:24:50,930 --> 01:24:48,789
budget and so well done you you wonder

1598
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:50,940
what de Steven Spielberg really know

1599
01:24:56,129 --> 01:24:54,010
well within the last year or two he came

1600
01:24:58,830 --> 01:24:56,139
forward and said that Ronald Reagan's

1601
01:25:00,810 --> 01:24:58,840
story was true it really did happen do

1602
01:25:02,549 --> 01:25:00,820
you want to repeat that one of the

1603
01:25:08,009 --> 01:25:02,559
showing of et in the White House and

1604
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:08,019
what Reagan said what's not what's not

1605
01:25:13,379 --> 01:25:11,050
the one poor Reagan I guess leaned over

1606
01:25:16,109 --> 01:25:13,389
to Spielberg and said a lot of this

1607
01:25:17,699 --> 01:25:16,119
movie is is more true than you think or

1608
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:17,709
something along those lines something

1609
01:25:22,620 --> 01:25:20,170
like this is more real than you know and

1610
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:22,630
Spielberg refused to comment on it for

1611
01:25:28,049 --> 01:25:25,150
like two decades or more and then within

1612
01:25:29,879 --> 01:25:28,059
the last year he Lear a year or so he

1613
01:25:31,739 --> 01:25:29,889
came forward and said that story is

1614
01:25:36,299 --> 01:25:31,749
absolutely true Reagan was not joking

1615
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:36,309
when he said it either accordingly and

1616
01:25:43,859 --> 01:25:38,530
is deceased and he can't stand up for ya

1617
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:43,869
oh but Reagan was obviously you know

1618
01:25:50,129 --> 01:25:47,050
seemed to be a believer maybe you know

1619
01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:50,139
maybe not necessarily and UFOs but in

1620
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,289
the idea of a possibility of

1621
01:25:57,959 --> 01:25:54,639
extraterrestrial life because you know

1622
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,969
he he made that reference several times

1623
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:00,159
where he would talk about you know what

1624
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:04,510
would happen if we were invaded you know

1625
01:26:10,109 --> 01:26:07,030
by extraterrestrials and you know well

1626
01:26:12,449 --> 01:26:10,119
it would you know like say the United

1627
01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:12,459
States and Soviet Union continued you

1628
01:26:17,069 --> 01:26:14,380
know fighting with each other or would

1629
01:26:19,709 --> 01:26:17,079
we you know band together to fight a

1630
01:26:21,540 --> 01:26:19,719
universal French were threatened by an

1631
01:26:23,879 --> 01:26:21,550
alien force you notice he didn't give

1632
01:26:25,799 --> 01:26:23,889
those speeches until he had won a second

1633
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:25,809
term then he didn't give a hoot anymore

1634
01:26:30,569 --> 01:26:28,570
and he made a number of these references

1635
01:26:31,979 --> 01:26:30,579
and then suddenly just stopped and that

1636
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:31,989
was the end of that someone must have

1637
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:35,280
talked to him and said no more of that

1638
01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:38,409
his wife Nancy was very protective of

1639
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:42,640
his reputation though we had

1640
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:49,210
Nancy was an et there you go yeah well

1641
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:52,480
yeah we had Grant Cameron on our show

1642
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:57,970
not too long ago and you know grant made

1643
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:02,560
reference to the stories that when a

1644
01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:07,800
president is first elected and when he's

1645
01:27:14,820 --> 01:27:10,990
debriefed when he first goes in there

1646
01:27:18,210 --> 01:27:14,830
they're told basically two things don't

1647
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:18,220
ask about UFOs don't ask about the

1648
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:22,570
Kennedy assassination that that gets

1649
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:26,770
back to trump in the hole you know after

1650
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:30,970
he and Obama met at the White House he

1651
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:34,630
had this look on his face was like whoa

1652
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:37,630
he never saw Trump Sousa dude so

1653
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:39,970
everybody is saying what the hell do

1654
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:43,210
bomb attendees tell him about the ETS

1655
01:27:50,730 --> 01:27:47,730
which Dave Chappelle mentioned on SNL I

1656
01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:50,740
doubt if it was the ETS it was probably

1657
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:54,420
the Obama telling him we have all the

1658
01:28:06,180 --> 01:27:56,590
recordings of you talking to the

1659
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:06,190
Russians no it was told that his wife

1660
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:08,520
Molina is actually an extraterrestrial

1661
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:11,770
you know the what I'm talking about

1662
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:16,690
though that meat he's meeting there in

1663
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:18,970
the it's not the Oval Office or whatever

1664
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:20,680
they meet and Trump it's the most

1665
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:22,690
subdued he ever looked in his life oh

1666
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,250
yeah well I think go ahead - go ahead

1667
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:32,320
Paul we have one advantage with Trump

1668
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:34,690
he's not from the military he's not from

1669
01:28:41,940 --> 01:28:36,970
the government he's not he has nothing

1670
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:41,950
to do with intelligence does have the

1671
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:44,830
nuclear codes yeah yeah but he's not

1672
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:47,050
beholden to any of these interests and

1673
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:48,970
he could someday just blurt something

1674
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:50,530
out especially if he thought he was

1675
01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:52,870
going to resign or and be impeached he

1676
01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:54,760
might just release some data you never

1677
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:55,590
know

1678
01:29:01,459 --> 01:28:58,290
I had this at this point who would

1679
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:01,469
believe anything yeah and again we're

1680
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:02,940
brought yea were brought back to bat

1681
01:29:08,959 --> 01:29:06,690
again you know who would who would

1682
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:08,969
believe him it's like I had to point out

1683
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,369
you know you'd have a few who you know

1684
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:12,960
would believe anything that he said I

1685
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,290
mean you know if he if he said that you

1686
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,239
know DeRose we're living in the sewers

1687
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:20,760
of New York there'd be quite a few

1688
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:23,400
people you know oh yeah I've seen him I

1689
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:30,239
believe it yeah but it's it's like the

1690
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:33,090
whole disclosure movement if the

1691
01:29:39,010 --> 01:29:35,449
government would come out and and

1692
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:39,020
disclose something there would always be

1693
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:41,730
groups and factions who wouldn't believe

1694
01:29:48,169 --> 01:29:45,090
it because it the disclosure wouldn't

1695
01:29:51,919 --> 01:29:48,179
fit within their belief system yeah

1696
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:51,929
either end of the spectrum the whatever

1697
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:54,960
believers of Trump the disbelievers

1698
01:30:00,620 --> 01:29:57,330
they're all stuck in their own they

1699
01:30:02,990 --> 01:30:00,630
debate with their minds yeah one person

1700
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:03,000
who intrigues me would be Jill Biden who

1701
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,790
served in Senate intelligence committees

1702
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:07,440
for decades and then he was vice

1703
01:30:11,780 --> 01:30:09,179
president probably received a lot of

1704
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:11,790
presidential briefings and yet yeah no

1705
01:30:16,010 --> 01:30:13,550
one ever seems to ask him and he never

1706
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:16,020
pipes up with his own information I

1707
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:17,310
don't think he's going to run for office

1708
01:30:23,899 --> 01:30:19,710
anymore maybe he would be willing to

1709
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:23,909
talk I don't have much hope for Mike

1710
01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:28,250
Pence he seems very straight well yeah

1711
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:32,070
he'd throw you out of the room I well

1712
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:36,320
Paul I'd I live here in Indiana and I

1713
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:39,570
had the had the misfortune at times in

1714
01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:42,810
the past to have to work with pence

1715
01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:45,750
before before he was governor of the

1716
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:47,699
state oh yeah yeah well I mean you know

1717
01:30:54,770 --> 01:30:50,690
don't forget I spent 20 years in the

1718
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:54,780
news news game television yeah yeah so I

1719
01:31:00,109 --> 01:30:57,300
mean I I were I worked with all of them

1720
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:00,119
so and you had you're right I mean

1721
01:31:08,270 --> 01:31:06,330
unless there was a religious aspect to

1722
01:31:11,649 --> 01:31:08,280
the UFO phenomena pence wouldn't have

1723
01:31:19,789 --> 01:31:16,489
yeah the et was Jesus right yeah oh

1724
01:31:22,579 --> 01:31:19,799
there you go there you go what about the

1725
01:31:24,559 --> 01:31:22,589
old scenario what if aliens did really

1726
01:31:26,539 --> 01:31:24,569
did land on the White House lawn what

1727
01:31:30,559 --> 01:31:26,549
would happen what do you think would

1728
01:31:33,409 --> 01:31:30,569
they be shot military effort yeah it

1729
01:31:35,029 --> 01:31:33,419
would something hottest heavy stuff

1730
01:31:36,919 --> 01:31:35,039
would be going down we have a lot of

1731
01:31:39,409 --> 01:31:36,929
people with their cell phone cameras out

1732
01:31:41,539 --> 01:31:39,419
recall yeah so you'd have to be a

1733
01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:41,549
security nightmare if you wanted to keep

1734
01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:44,369
it quiet and hushed I think the news

1735
01:31:49,879 --> 01:31:46,049
media would be all over that they're in

1736
01:31:53,719 --> 01:31:49,889
the building quite a bit so I bet there

1737
01:32:00,889 --> 01:31:53,729
would be explosions real quick they were

1738
01:32:03,729 --> 01:32:00,899
yeah man no doubt I mean maybe the you

1739
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:03,739
know artillery would bounce off the

1740
01:32:12,469 --> 01:32:09,030
saucer or whatever but the Tina our

1741
01:32:14,599 --> 01:32:12,479
producer she she wrote that people would

1742
01:32:15,859 --> 01:32:14,609
saying it was a false or yeah the the

1743
01:32:21,559 --> 01:32:15,869
government say was a false flag

1744
01:32:23,629 --> 01:32:21,569
holographic casting yeah of course it

1745
01:32:25,129 --> 01:32:23,639
would be it'd be like that scene from

1746
01:32:27,379 --> 01:32:25,139
the old movie you know earth vs. the

1747
01:32:30,649 --> 01:32:27,389
flying saucers you know where they land

1748
01:32:34,299 --> 01:32:30,659
in the White House well The Day the

1749
01:32:36,289 --> 01:32:34,309
Earth Stood Still right right just

1750
01:32:39,770 --> 01:32:36,299
anybody that would come out just

1751
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:39,780
immediately would be shot down well

1752
01:32:44,989 --> 01:32:42,329
unfortunately gentlemen we have about

1753
01:32:46,789 --> 01:32:44,999
less than three minutes before we have

1754
01:32:48,919 --> 01:32:46,799
to say bye-bye

1755
01:32:51,229 --> 01:32:48,929
so Paul I want to give you the

1756
01:32:54,679 --> 01:32:51,239
opportunity to tell us about your new

1757
01:32:57,949 --> 01:32:54,689
book where people can find it and what's

1758
01:32:59,929 --> 01:32:57,959
what's going on next with you written

1759
01:33:02,899 --> 01:32:59,939
the book and I'm working on the sequel

1760
01:33:05,599 --> 01:33:02,909
to sexy alien races and we'll bring the

1761
01:33:07,459 --> 01:33:05,609
same characters back and they were a lot

1762
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:07,469
of fun to write for it was a hoot to

1763
01:33:11,389 --> 01:33:09,449
write and I hope you find it very funny

1764
01:33:12,979 --> 01:33:11,399
it's gotten a good review already from

1765
01:33:16,459 --> 01:33:12,989
the first official book reviewer and you

1766
01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:16,469
can get a copy at a targis books calm

1767
01:33:21,799 --> 01:33:19,169
and you can still get copies of my cape

1768
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:21,809
girardeau UFO books there and I'll be

1769
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:22,710
all

1770
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:26,730
so writing about a nonfiction book on

1771
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:29,460
UFOs that we'll be covering a little bit

1772
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:32,460
on the Jackie Gleason story as you say

1773
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:34,110
Tim Beckley is interested in that and

1774
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:35,880
I've got some material on that but I

1775
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:37,650
still need to hunker down and get that

1776
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:40,860
done all right fantastic and and Adam

1777
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:43,770
what about you just go to Adam go

1778
01:33:50,540 --> 01:33:48,060
rightly calm that says it all and you

1779
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:50,550
and your into your comment your contact

1780
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:54,570
e-book with Greg Bishop how much the

1781
01:34:01,940 --> 01:33:57,210
beginning of next year hope most of it

1782
01:34:04,970 --> 01:34:01,950
is done written the cover is done I need

1783
01:34:11,209 --> 01:34:04,980
to the next stage is getting it into

1784
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:11,219
layout so I think early next year all

1785
01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:11,760
right

1786
01:34:16,190 --> 01:34:13,590
well gentlemen thank you very much it's

1787
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:16,200
been a fantastic show a lot of

1788
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:18,810
interesting things discussed and I just

1789
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:21,600
really appreciate you to be in with me

1790
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:23,610
tonight and for everyone out there

1791
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:27,060
listening we appreciate you being with

1792
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:30,060
us so stay tuned we'll be back again

1793
01:34:33,860 --> 01:34:32,130
next week hopefully Tim Beckley will

1794
01:34:41,169 --> 01:34:33,870
feel better and be back so good night

1795
01:34:47,410 --> 01:34:43,419
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1796
01:34:50,649 --> 01:34:47,420
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1797
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1798
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1799
01:34:59,930 --> 01:34:56,150
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1800
01:35:02,440 --> 01:34:59,940
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1801
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1802
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1805
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